トランプ氏、高率関税や移民強制送還を重ねて主張 ＴＶインタビュー

【ワシントンＡＦＰ＝時事】ドナルド・トランプ次期米大統領は８日、大統領選後初となる本格的なテレビインタビューに応じ、高率関税の導入や不法移民の大量送還など強硬な公約を改めて強調したほか、北大西洋条約機構（ＮＡＴＯ）から米国が脱退する可能性にも言及した。（写真は、米ワシントンのハイアットリージェンシーホテルで、下院共和党議員との会合中に発言するドナルド・トランプ次期大統領）
　インタビューを行ったのはＮＢＣのニュース司会者クリステン・ウェルカー氏で、６日に収録された。トランプ氏が７日にフランスを訪問し、ウクライナのウォロディミル・ゼレンスキー大統領と会談した後、８日に番組が放映された。
　番組の中でトランプ氏は、ロシアの侵攻を受けるウクライナへの支援を「おそらく」削減すると述べ、対ウクライナ支援の縮小方針を改めて示唆した。
　他のＮＡＴＯ加盟国が十分な防衛費を負担していないとする持論も繰り返し、米国がＮＡＴＯから離脱する可能性も「絶対にある」と述べた。
　カナダ、メキシコ、中国など主要貿易相手国に対する高率関税の導入についても、選挙公約を実行すると強調。関税は「適切に使えば非常に強力な手段」になるとし、経済面にとどまらず、「経済以外の目的を達成するためにも」活用する考えを示した。
　また、壊滅的な影響を及ぼす恐れがあるとして専門家が警告している不法移民の大量強制送還に関しても「非常に難しいことだがやらなければならないと思う」と明言。米国内で出生した全員に市民権を付与するという憲法の規定は「ばかげている」と断じ、これを終わらせたいと述べた。
　■自身を調査の議員は「刑務所へ」
　２０２０年大統領選の結果を覆そうとした試みで議会に弾劾され、刑事告発されたトランプ氏は、今回のインタビューでも、前回大統領選での敗北を認めることについて「なぜその必要があるのか」と話し、重ねて拒否した。
　２０２１年１月６日に連邦議会議事堂を襲撃した自身の支持者について、「極めて迅速に」恩赦を検討すると発言。一方で、襲撃事件をめぐって自身を調査した議員については「刑務所送りになるべきだ」と非難した。
　トランプ氏は、政敵の訴追を法執行機関に自ら指示することはないと強調しながら、当局が自主的にそうした決定に至る可能性はあると主張。
　連邦捜査局（ＦＢＩ）長官に指名したカシュ・パテル氏が政敵の追及を担うべきかと尋ねられると、「誰かが不正直だとか不正だとか、腐敗した政治家だと考えるならば、そうする義務があると思う」と答えた。
　さらに、大統領として「私は法執行官のトップ」であり、国内の対立者を訴追する「絶対的な権限」を有するが、「それには興味がない」と否定。経済成長と不法移民問題の終結に取り組むつもりであり、「報復は成功を通じて果たす」と述べた。【翻訳編集ＡＦＰＢＢＮｅｗｓ】
〔ＡＦＰ＝時事〕（2024/12/09-18:09）

Donald Trump doubled down Sunday on hard-line campaign pledges to impose trade tariffs and carry out mass deportations, while dangling the idea that the United States could withdraw from NATO after he takes office next month.
In his first formal television interview since the election -- and just six weeks before Inauguration Day -- Trump again signaled that US support for Ukraine will scale back, saying he will probably cut the aid helping Kyiv repel Russia's invasion.
The president-elect also said he would very quickly look at pardons for supporters jailed for storming the US Capitol after his 2020 election defeat to Joe Biden.
The interview on NBC's Meet the Press with Kristen Welker was taped Friday but aired Sunday, following Trump's meetings with the presidents of France and Ukraine over the weekend -- his first foreign trip since winning the November election against Vice President Kamala Harris.
Trump reiterated his familiar threat to leave NATO, the cornerstone of security in Europe since World War II, saying that US allies do not pay enough for their defense.
If they're paying their bills, and if I think they're treating us fairly, the answer is absolutely I'd stay with NATO, said.
But there is also absolutely the possibility of America's departure, he said.
He also stressed that his campaign promises of huge tariffs -- including against top US trading partners Canada, Mexico and China -- will be enacted.
We're subsidizing Mexico and we're subsidizing Canada and we're subsidizing many countries all over the world, he said.
Vowing that properly used tariffs are a very powerful tool, Trump added that he would not only wield them economically, but also for getting other things outside of economics.
As to whether Americans would see higher prices as a result of those tariffs, Trump said that I can't guarantee anything.
- Mass deportations -
The Republican also said he would go ahead with what economists say could be the hugely disruptive mass deportation of undocumented immigrants in the United States.
I think you have to do it, and it's a hard -- it's a very tough thing to do, he said.
And he said he would try to end the ridiculous constitutionally protected right to US citizenship for anyone born in the country.
The Republican offered a small olive branch to advocates for allowing some undocumented migrants -- a key source of labor for much of the US economy -- to stay.
Trump said I will work with the Democrats on the so-called dreamers -- people who have grown up in the United States after entering the country illegally as young children.
However Trump suggested that even US citizens could be deported if they have family members who are in the country illegally -- a legally dubious move and major escalation of current policy if carried out.
The only way you don't break up the family is you keep them together and you have to send them all back, he said.
- 'Should go to jail' -
Trump, who was impeached by Congress and criminally charged over his historic attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election, once again refused to admit he lost that vote.
No, why would I do that? he said.
He also said that members of Congress who investigated him over the January 6, 2021, insurrection by his supporters should go to jail.
While stressing that he would not personally order law enforcement bodies to prosecute his political enemies, he said officials could take the decision to do so themselves.
Asked whether his pick to head the FBI, Kash Patel, should go through with his frequent threats to go after political opponents, Trump answered: If they think that somebody was dishonest or crooked or a corrupt politician, I think he probably has an obligation to do it.
Trump said he will have the absolute right to prosecute domestic opponents because as president I'm the chief law enforcement officer.
However, he said he was not interested in that and would instead work for economic growth and an end to illegal immigration, so that his retribution will be through success.